"But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."

Friday, August 28, 2009

60,000 and proud of it

I have various other postings in the works but they're pretty ponderous. This (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/27/nebraska.abortion.protests/index.html), on the other hand, I can scarcely find words for. I know some people who glance at this page occasionally are pro-choice, but honestly, is there not something fundamentally grotesque about a man who can speak about personally ending 60,000 young lives with pride? I cannot imagine what darkness lies in that man's soul to make the term "abortionist" a badge of honor for him. Words fail me.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Take the religion out of it and you have nothing to complain about. BTW if no one has let you know thats just a bunch of made up story from primative men, not like its actually the word of god. Yet you can advocate killing the doctor in the name of it. HUH??? thought even the made up book said not to kill. HUH???

Meghan said...

What makes Carhart and Tiller so twisted is their willingness to perform 3rd trimester abortions. sick sick sick.

Anonymous said...

abortion is not healthcare. it destroys not heals.

LibraF said...

Why is it that people who claim to be "Christian" and who supposedly follow Bible teaching can justify killing anyone for any reason?? These abortion protesters need to get a life or at least read that Good Book again. I hope each and every one of these people are charged with inciting a riot, assault, treaspassing, something.

Anonymous said...

Here is the problem with this argument. It has been positioned all wrong. Saying that you are pro-life and those who are pro-choice are not, is ridiculous. Most people will tell you they are in favor of human life. There are the crazies of course, but that isn't the issue. And don't throw your religion around like it somehow justifies anything, because more people have died "for no good reason" in the name of God than from any other reason (especially if you consider all the future children that were never born as a result.) The real issue here is do you want other people or worse, the government, to tell you what you can and cannot do to your body. We all walk a fine line between liberty and bondage, and the difference is our individual freedoms, specifically that our mind and body are our own. If that is no longer the case, we should all fear the future, because it will be a slippery slope before your entire life is limited and controlled to the point of which individual freedoms will be read about in books (if they let you read books). That is why Roe v. Wade is so important. It establishes important rights for individual freedoms. God has never seemed to care about all the deaths God has indirectly caused, but I bet if God could communicate something to us, God would want us to live our lives and let others live theirs.

Cincinnatus said...

Oh so many anonymous comments, where to begin? Right, first: I'm done with anonymous commentators. I welcome the discourse but I like to know who I'm discoursing with. So brush up on your spelling and grammar, find a name, and then come back and we'll talk.

Thanks for letting me know that religion was made up by hairy cavemen and does not actually deal with divine revelation. I had no idea. That's a load off my mind.

Second, nowhere in my brief post did I mention religion, Christianity, or advocate the murder of other human beings. It was a pretty short post, but let me review it quickly and see if maybe that slipped in somewhere. Nope, still isn't there. Whew. Regardless, the purpose of my post was not to engage in an extensive theological discussion, nor even launch into a tirade about the evils of abortion. My point was this: there is something twisted in a man who takes pride in such a body count. I know there are many out there on the pro-choice side who view abortion as a necessary evil and believe there should be restrictions on it in all but the most dire of cases. Carhart seems different, to be reveling in his high body count rather than regretting he had to do so many. He is warped, badly warped.

Let me re-check, did I call for his head somewhere up there? No, still haven't, nor will I; nor do the overwhelming majority of pro-lifers. The Operation Rescue folks have a tendency to be more radical and occasionally clash with the law, but they are not a death squad. And you can count the number of abortion doctors killed in this country on one hand. Given the decades that have elapsed since Roe v Wade was passed, and the deep passions involved, that's hardly indicative of a violent, dangerous protest movement. It's far safer to be an abortion doctor than an unborn baby.

Libra, unless these protestors actually do riot, trespass, or assault someone, they have every right to express their opinion. Simply because you disagree with them does not mean you can deny them the freedom to assemble and protest.

To the last nameless one: still checking, but pretty sure I didn't throw my religion around or use it to justify the unjustifiable. There are powerful theological arguments against abortion; however, there are many powerful civic arguments against it as well, such as how the state treats its most vulnerable citizens. You talk about how Roe v. Wade is so important because it establishes basic individual rights; well, our founding documents mention the right to life, the basic right to exist, as the first unalienable human right. When the state begins abrogating that right, you should be very worried, because a government that denies the right to exist will have no problem denying other rights.

Finally, I notice you've repeated the trope that more people have died "in the name of God" than for any other reason. Check your history books and do a quick body count; you'll find that the 20th century was the bloodiest century in recorded human history, and that bloodshed was caused by the twin evils of communism and Nazism. Both systems were truly 'godless' in that they very purposefully removed and suppressed any notion of the divine from their ideologies. They made the state their god, and together were responsible for more suffering, bloodshed, and destruction than any religious movement that has ever existed. Period.

The Accidental Blogger said...

Just to confirm here, I am not anonymous.

Meghan said...

I had to block anonymous comments last year. Somehow the nastiest people are way to afraid to sign their names.

Cincinnatus said...

No, T.A.B.(can I keep calling you that? Your full handle is pretty long), you are certainly not considered anonymous. I'm just tired of drive-by bloggers who can't even bother to come up with a fake name. For you anonymous drive-bys, GaiusStarGeek is now available.